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Prior months' guestbooks:
Name: Tom Page
J.D. Brown, thank you very much for providing the four AN/FPS-18 gap-filler radar locations in Korea -- greatly appreciated! By any chance, do you (or anyone you know) have any photos of those sites? If so, we'd really like to obtain copies for our on-line museum here. Thank you once again. -- Tom
Name: Gordon Dick
When we dismantled the site at the 720th,Middleton Island,most of the FPS-3 was destroyed. The FPS-8 and 6 were shipped out to who knows where. A couple of years ago I saw FPS-6s for sell on the Internet so they are still around.The FAA retained a lot of the FPS20 series radar but has replaced most if not all of it.I understand the air traffic control will soon go to satalite control so there will be many surplus radars around.
Name: G Wickert
Name: John Tianen
The more I think of it, scrapping the radars made sense. Radars such as the FPS-20 and FPS-6, mainstays at many sites, were based on early 1950s vacuum tube technology. By the 1970s, when most of the radar sites were shut down, that technology was obviously obsolete. Newer radars such as the FPS-26 and FPS-27 were designed in the late 50s also using vacuum tube technology. Even those "advanced" radars were obsolete by the 1970s. The other factor was that the threat they were designed to deal with (a bomber-based strike against the U.S.) was rapidly disappearing as the Reds focused on missles instead of bombers. When reflecting on the Cold War era, it may appear that the vast expenditures of money to build that air defense system was wasted. I happen to believe that as expensive as it was, it showed our enemies that we were willing to spend what was necessary to ensure our freedom. In my opinion, it was not wasted resources, as no mushroom clouds ever sprouted over American cities during that time. As with other weapons systems, after the air defense system had served its purpose, it was scrapped and replaced with newer and more effective technologies.
Name: Jeff States
John Tianen's assessment of the cold war is correct. Let's remember that SAGE and 412L were developed as a direct response to the Soviet bomber threat of the 1950's.SAGE is the "grandfather" of the systems currently controlling civilian air traffic around the world. Developments from 412L were precursors to projection TV and touch tone dialing. Both systems were phased out in 1984 after a generation of service during which no attack was ever attempted. Expensive yes, but let's remember that it was the Soviet Union that disintegrated in 1991.
Comments on surplus radar equipment at Mt Hebo (689th Radar Squadron) and in Korea.
Name: Tom Page
Steve Weatherly, thank you for the comments you provided. Very interesting. I for one did not know that AN/FPS-18 gap-filler radars were sent to Korea. That maybe could explain why a number of U.S. gap-filler radar sites were readied for use but never received the radar equipment -- it was diverted overseas. Were any gap-filler radars ever actually installed in Korea? If so, do you know where? Also, do you know if any gap-filler radars were sent anywhere else overseas?
Name: J.D. Brown, CMS,Ret.
Responding to Tom Page's question regarding the location of the FPS-18
Name: Tom Page
Re John Tianen's questions below. I have been hoping others would provide comments, as I would like to know, also. I do know that most radar sets were sent to depots for disposition, while a few were abandoned on site. Most went to depots, but -- after that -- I do not know. As John suggested, some might have been sold to foreign governments. Others might have gone to FAA sites for spare parts, as the FAA still uses search radars in the AN/FPS-20 family. I suspect a lot of old equipment eventually ended up as scrap. We know that the AN/FPS-28 at Houma AFS, LA, ended up as scrap. Two AN/FPS-35 radar sets were abandoned in place -- the antenna and radome at Baker AFS, OR; and the entire radar set at Montauk AFS, LI, NY. Several gap-filler radar antennas and radomes were left on-site, although only four are still in place today (Vichy, MO; Emery, MI; Saugatuck, MI; and Bridgeboro, ME). If anyone can better answer John's questions, please chime in. Thanks. -- Tom
Name: Donald R. Doty
Looking for a couple of friends from the past, the first is TSgt Donald Troutman, my crew chief at the 32nd Air Div. at Hancock Field NY during 1953 to 1955 and the again from 1957 to 1958 also at Hancock. The second is Robert Graf(f), a radar maint. man at the 912th AC&W Sqdn, Ramore Ontario, Canada during 1955 to 1957. I again met Robert at Keesler where he was attending a 7 level school. He was originally from Rochester NY. If anyone knows these individuale please either contact me or have them contact me through my E-Mail address. THANKS!!!
Name: John Tianen
Name: Jim Walraven
I was assigned to the 682nd AC&W at Almaden AFS from 1959 until march of 1963. I was about to be rotated to the "Dew Line" when GTE Electronic Syatems West made me an offer I couldn't refuse. It's great to see someone remembers.
Name: Karen Miller
Hi. Just a note to thank all the gentleman in our fine military past and present for keeping our country and my family safe.
Name: MSgt Stan Dewsnap, USAF (Ret)
My Dad, Stan Prokarym, was stationed at St Albans AFS VT in the early 1950's. I was born in St Albans, but had never seen the base. It was great to see the pics of it here. Many thanks.
Name: Albert Chopey
I was stationed at the 685th ACWRON in Las Cruces, NM as Radar Maintenance Officer from 8/58 to 9/61, then reassigned to the 732nd ACWRON in Ozona, TX from 9/61 to my separation in 5/62. Just heard about your site from a fellow officer who was also assigned to Las Cruces AFS in the late 50's. Glad I found you! Hopefully I can provide more info ... and learn more as well ... as time goes along. I just visited the radar site this past month (Sep 07) and was amazed to find so much of the old buildings still there. Unfortunately, all the housing units are now gone. The window that once used to be right over my desk in the Operations Building is now boarded over and above it is a sign that says "Rabbits"! The Southern NM State Fair Grounds now owns the site previously occupied by our radar site and the operations building is now used during fairs to display rabbits. My, how times change!
I was in the 57th fighter squadron in iceland. The only active F102
Name: Rob Plested
Name: John Breidford
I saw a picture of the brick barbecue, behind the NCO club at the 637th AC&W squadron, Othello, Wa. . It has been destroyed, and the bricks are laying in a heap. Does anyone know if it was still in use, when the site closed in the mid 70s? It was built in the summer of 1959. Local rancher Cliff Mikels, donated a large number of beef steaks for the first BBQ party. The space between the inner and outer brick walls was filled with broken, empty Schlitz beer bottles.
Name: Larry Altshuler
Installed AN/FPS-26 AVCO radar at Camnbria and Boron AFS, AFSC 30352,
Name: David P. Rakestraw
I was with the 647th AC&W Squadron in Manassas, VA 1954-1958. Wonderful times and experiences. A few years ago I visited the site since my daughter lives in Fairfax, VA. The old base is now a maintenance bus facility for the Prince William County school system.The time of my visit was a weekend and the gate was closed but everything looked the same except for the radar dome.I am going to join your Association.
Name: Robert N. Moore
Any one who may know the where abouts of Edwin Higgenbotham, former 1st Lt, CE Officer at Hutchinson AFS, Ks 1961 - 1964, please let me know. I worked for Ed at that time and see his name often on the Radomes site. Thanks in advance for any info.
Name: Robert (Bob) Moore
I was stationed at Hutchinson AFS, Ks from 1961 till 1964. We had a reunion in Branson, Mo in 2003..Since then I have lost contact with these folks. If any one here was at that reunion or who was stationed at Hutch during the above dates please contact me. Thanks a lot.
Name: Danny Mason
Great to find a website devoted to those of us who spent time in places not always in the news.
Name: Delvin E. Ressel
I served on active duty from 1966 - 1970. During that time, I was assigned to the following radar sites. 1)755th Radar Sq. (ADC), Arlington Heights IL, 1966 - 1968, as Personel /Administrative Officer, 2)612th Radar Sq.(ADC), Ajo AZ, 1968 - 1969, as Weapons Controller (AFSC 1744A), 3)Operating Location Charlie, 327 Air Division(PACAF),O Laun Pi, Taiwan, 1968 - 1970, as Weapons Controller. Is there anyone else out there who was at these radar sites during those years. I'll be at the USAF Radar Sites Veterans reunion in Sacramento CA in 2008.
Name: James P. Lowe
Name: Rebecca Bonilla
Hi to anyone stationed at King Salmon, AK in 1981-1982 or Hancock AFB, NY (SAGE) 1982 until closing).
Name: Gene McManus
I had the opportunity to see an F-22 Raptor demonstration flight last week. If you haven't seen this, you likely won't believe some of the maneuverability this aircraft has. With ducted vectored thrust, it can turn in its own length (at low speed, of course), and do stuff that an airplane simply ain't supposed to do. If you get the chance to see this, don't miss it! There are some videos on line that are fairly good, but the live demo is the best. Google "Raptor video".
Name: Jeff States
Gene, thanks for the tip on the Raptor video. Looks as if it is as far removed from the F-102'S and F-106's we worked with as the manual system was from from SAGE in the US and 412L in Germany!!
Name: joel E. Barnes
I read these messages from many different groups. I never seem to be able to see anything from people that were with the 727TCS at Bergstrom during the period from 4/67 to 7/68. I found that to be a great assignment. I was in Birkenfeld Ger. from 7/69 to 4/72. I sometimes find something from those guys. I spent 10 months at Ft. Lee Va. In my 6 1/2 yrs in the Air Force that was probably my worst assignment. I just couldn't get into Sage. Believe it or not I found that Cape Newenham was a great assignment. Althought it took me many years to figure that out. That really made me define who I am. Some of the best people I ever met wore Air Force Blue.
Name: Herb Campbell
I am a member of Radomes and enjoy the newsletters and posts. I was in the AF four years as a scope dope. Spent a year at Site 5 in French Morocco, (July-55-56); rest of my hitch with the 602nd in Giebelstadt Germany. Have attended some 735th reunions and a few603rd
Name: John Tianen
Try this link for a list of spin codes.
Name: Carl Wenberg
SPN PRETAINS (SPN) TO ARMY NOT AIR FORCE is (SDN) you must need a crypto clearence or higher to locate and find out info on SDN!!! numbers
Name: Chuck Sunder
I got it figured out: I'm an SDN 704. If you move the period one place to the left (70.4), it's my approximate age. :-)
Name: Lawrence A ( Larry or Ham)hamilton
I am in, Radar sites from 1952 until 1971, then a couple of comm sq,
Name: Dick Konizeski
OPHEIM TOWN PHOTOS WANTED:
Name: David G. Edmiston
771 ACWRON and Texas tower #3
Name: Jerre P Moser